"A Wrinkle in Time" director Ava DuVernay insists she didn't consciously assemble three of the entertainment industry's most successful and entrepreneurial women to play the celestial, all-knowing "Mrs." characters in Oprah Winfrey, Reese Witherspoon and Mindy Kaling.
"I guess I'm attracted to that kind of energy: Like-minded take over the world-ness," DuVernay said.
Winfrey, Witherspoon and Kaling spoke recently with The Associated Press about the film, DuVernay's achievement, a changing industry and Winfrey's life advice.
Remarks have been edited for clarity and brevity.
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AP: You've all become fast friends it seems.
WITHERSPOON: It's great to be around people who inspire you and lift you up. My grandma used to say, 'People are either a radiator or a drain. Surround yourself with people who radiate light and goodness and love and do not stick around the drains because they will pull you down.'
WINFREY: Oh, that's good, grandma!
AP: What do you think of the historic fact that Ava DuVernay got to direct this?
WITHERSPOON: It's extraordinary when a company of this size puts their money into it and their entire marketing into this. This is not the level of marketing I'm used to.
KALING: I'm like Carrie Bradshaw where I'm walking down the street and see a bus with my face on it.
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WINFREY: That happened to me! I'm driving down the street and I see my face on a bus stop and I'm like, 'Stoppppp! Stoooopppp! That's me!'
KALING: How cool is that? I'm a 38-year-old Indian woman and I'm on a bus.
WINFREY: That is some Disney power, baby.
AP: Do you think the entertainment industry is ready to give women second chances if their film underperforms or isn't 'The Force Awakens'? Even if something is a modest success, sometimes it's treated as an anomaly.
KALING: Well we're kind of chipping away at that with your Ryan Cooglers and Jordan Peeles and Patty Jenkins.
WITHERSPOON: But a lot of female directors are allowed to make one film and if it isn't a gonzo success they're relegated to the sidelines and never given another opportunity. Meanwhile there are so many men who fail over and over and over and get hired over and over and over again and you can't just get one turn at bat. And your one turn at bat you have to hit a home run? Or you're out? That's impossible statistics.
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But I love that studios are listening to audiences. When Disney makes this choice, they're saying: We care about the audience. We're listening. We hear you. You want to see yourselves. You want different storytellers.
KALING: But it can't be like, 'Well there's Ava and she's the exception.'
WITHERSPOON: Like how everybody goes 'Meryl Streep works over 50.' Yeah? Name another one. Who else makes a whole lot of money past 50?
AP: Have you felt a change in the past few months? Are people more receptive to your ideas?
WITHERSPOON: After 'Big Little Lies' it's been totally different. It's incredible what that show did for my producing career. I've been enormously grateful. I do remember a year and a half ago walking into a studio and talking about the projects we wanted to make and this guy goes, 'Well we don't really make biopics because they're not really fresh.' And I said, 'How many biopics are there about women?' He couldn't name one. And I said, 'OK, so is it fresh. Because if you've never seen it I think that is pretty much the definition of fresh.' I saw this video of little girls and someone asked them to name an inventor and all they could name were men. There are all these female inventors and they don't know any of them.
KALING: I don't know any of them....
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WITHERSPOON: Because we haven't told their stories!
WINFREY: So now are people calling you for what your ideas are? I would think that now you could go wherever you want.
WINFREY: But do they only want you to repeat what you've already done? Or are they open to new things?
WITHERSPOON: No they want new stuff. They want me to bring the female perspective or whatever. I'm thinking, 'It's 2018, I'm not the only woman.'
AP: What can men do to help this progress continue?
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KALING: Hire female writing staffs, hire female directors, tells stories about women that are starring women. Hire women over the age of 25. That's it.
WITHERSPOON: I would like to see some big actors say that they are going to work with different types of directors. Take the opportunities that they've had and use them to lift other people up. We all need to mentor a lot of young people too.
WINFREY: You're going to take on mentoring now too?
WITHERSPOON: I'm doing a camp this summer for female filmmakers. Thirty girls between 18 and 20 are going to learn how to write their own stories and shoot their own movies.
KALING: The Reese Witherspoon Summer Academy?
WINFREY: You're going to do that in between producing "Lies" and in between producing your new series with Jennifer (Aniston) and between ... ok ...
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WITHERSPOON: It makes me excited!
WINFREY: Ok ... and you've got a family too.
WITHERSPOON: I'm going to make my family work at the camp. I just think, no one ever taught me how to do any of it.
WINFREY: I think that's great.
WITHERSPOON: Ava's going to help me.
WINFREY: Oh good, she's going to do that too? I'm Ava's life coach and I try to help her not to take on too many things. She was doing this movie, she was finishing a movie for the Smithsonian, and she was doing "The 13th" all at the same time. Which I know is impossible to do. She did it. But you don't do that without it taking a toll on you, and eventually that catches up with you. So take care of yourself. I've done that thing where your schedule is so full and you're overwhelmed where you don't even know where you are. And then you can't even remember what you've done. I have years I can't remember. It used to be like, 'Oh there's a half an hour, let's fill that.' Just because there is a little blank space on the page doesn't mean you have to fill it.